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More pain indeed, Kudos to ADL

Big thank you and kudos to the Anti-Defamation League!

Jewish group says putting a mosque near Ground Zero will cause ‘more pain’

Saturday, July 31, 2010

NEW YORK

ADL: Putting mosque near Ground Zero is ‘not right’

The nation’s leading Jewish civil rights group opposes the planned mosque and Islamic community center near Ground Zero, saying more information is needed about funding for the project and the location is “counterproductive to the healing process.”

The Anti-Defamation League said it rejects any opposition to the center based on bigotry and acknowledged that the group behind the plan, the Cordoba Initiative, has the legal right to build at the site. But the ADL said “some legitimate questions have been raised” about funding and possible ties with “groups whose ideologies stand in contradiction to our shared values.”

“Ultimately this is not a question of rights, but a question of what is right,” the ADL said in a statement. “In our judgment, building an Islamic center in the shadow of the World Trade Center will cause some victims more pain — unnecessarily — and that is not right.” The Cordoba Initiative did not comment Friday.

The mosque and community center would be located two blocks from the Lower Manhattan site of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.

I realize my response is like a broken record, but having ADL come out and say exactly what I have been all along..build the Mosque someplace else in Manhattan…really validates my feelings about this thing.

New York, NY, July 28, 2010 … The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) today issued the following statement regarding the proposed Islamic Center near Ground Zero in Manhattan:

We regard freedom of religion as a cornerstone of the American democracy, and that freedom must include the right of all Americans – Christian, Jewish, Muslim, and other faiths – to build community centers and houses of worship.

We categorically reject appeals to bigotry on the basis of religion, and condemn those whose opposition to this proposed Islamic Center is a manifestation of such bigotry.

However, there are understandably strong passions and keen sensitivities surrounding the World Trade Center site. We are ever mindful of the tragedy which befell our nation there, the pain we all still feel – and especially the anguish of the families and friends of those who were killed on September 11, 2001.

The controversy which has emerged regarding the building of an Islamic Center at this location is counterproductive to the healing process. Therefore, under these unique circumstances, we believe the City of New York would be better served if an alternative location could be found.

In recommending that a different location be found for the Islamic Center, we are mindful that some legitimate questions have been raised about who is providing the funding to build it, and what connections, if any, its leaders might have with groups whose ideologies stand in contradiction to our shared values. These questions deserve a response, and we hope those backing the project will be transparent and forthcoming. But regardless of how they respond, the issue at stake is a broader one.

Proponents of the Islamic Center may have every right to build at this site, and may even have chosen the site to send a positive message about Islam. The bigotry some have expressed in attacking them is unfair, and wrong. But ultimately this is not a question of rights, but a question of what is right. In our judgment, building an Islamic Center in the shadow of the World Trade Center will cause some victims more pain – unnecessarily – and that is not right.

I cannot repeat myself enough…

My disgust is not about hate, it is about respect for the over 3000 people  who were killed on that site. It is about honoring these poor victims of terrorism…not some PR move. That is it. These families are still waiting for their memorial. They are still finding remains of those who were killed almost 10 years after the attacks.  Why do they have to put it here, at Ground Zero…why can’t they at least put it in another location. It is very upsetting to me… I am very vocal about the attacks that happened on September 11th, 2001. My husband was there, he is a survivor. He lost three friends from his office. He saw groups of over 20 people holding hands jumping from the towers. He saw people burst into bloody heaps when their bodies hit the building, or the light poles in the plaza, or the ground. He saw the body parts strewn all over the ground. He had to dodge the bodies that fell, in fact one of the friends he lost died from getting hit by a jumper…right in front of my husband. He saw it. He was in a war zone. He experienced something that none of us can imagine. We (our kids and I) did not know he was alive until he walked in the door at 7pm that night. He still has nightmares about this, it ruined our lives. So yes, I am very vocal and emotional about anything to do with the WTC site or any comments about those attacks. Yes… I think it is a bad thing building the 13 story Mosque and Community Center right in Ground Zero. (Even if it is technically 2 blocks from Ground Zero, they are still finding human remains farther than the 2 block radius.) To those who approve the Ground Zero location of this Mosque, be humane, have some sensitivity about this issue…

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  1. Minkoff Minx says:

    Should a mosque be built near ground zero?

    Move it: Here is what I do not understand: Why does a 13 story Mosque need to be next to ground zero? It’s insulting and wrong. How else are families of 9/11 victims supposed to react but with fury? How can we be expected to reach out to moderate Muslims while they purposefully choose a location that is clearly meant to be provocative. Only the most convoluted minds can’t see this for what it is: A big, dressed up, passive aggressive fuck you. Most Japanese are good people. Should we put a Japanese cultural center on top of the Arizona memorial? Maybe a German Fellowship Hall next to the Holocaust Museum in D.C.? Real human beings died horribly on 9/11. A multi story memorial to them is in order. I’d like moderate Muslims to show a scintilla of human kindness and understanding toward the families of the victims. For God’s sake, put the mosque somewhere else. It is that simple. Move it. The saddest thing of all is that the site will be attacked. I feel almost certain of this. We should expect it. And then the same pea brains who don’t see the problem now will intone about tolerance…after years of disregarding the families of the dead.

    http://johnwsmart.blogspot.com/2010/08/monday-sundries.html

    Juan Williams Opposes Ground Zero Mosque

    During Fox News Sunday’s online “Panel Plus” segment, Juan Williams made the case against building the 13-story Islamic center a couple blocks from Ground Zero. Although the imam who owns the land has a right to do what he wants with his own property, Williams said, as a matter of decency the imam shouldn’t build the mosque.

    Williams said that the proposed mosque and the imam’s actions are “a thumb in the eye to so many people who lost their lives and went through the trauma there. It’s not promoting dialogue or understanding. In fact, it’s polarizing. So it’s not achieving his stated goal. And for that reason, I just think he’s wrong to do it.”

    Williams’s comments on the Ground Zero Mosque come a couple days after the Anti-Defamation League declared that “building an Islamic Center in the shadow of the World Trade Center will cause some victims more pain – unnecessarily – and that is not right.”

    http://weeklystandard.com/blogs/juan-williams-opposes-ground-zero-

    Yes, this is more along the lines of what I firmly believe…Move the location of the damn Mosque. It is that fucking simple!

  2. Minkoff Minx says:

    Cordoba’s Opportunity

    The battle over a proposed $100 million mosque and Islamic center at Ground Zero could well be at a turning point, the New York Times reported over the weekend. Its assessment was made after the national director of the Anti-Defamation League, Abraham Foxman, came out in opposition to situating the site adjacent to the epicenter of the attacks on September 11, 2001. We telephoned Mr. Foxman to offer congratulations. It had to have been a hard call for him, with so many supporters of the project suggesting that the sole reason for opposing it had to be bigotry.

    That suggestion has struck us from the start as a libel. There may be some bigots in opposition to the project, but they would be a small percentage, in our guess. We thought Mr. Foxman put it exactly right in suggesting that the fact that the Cordoba Initiative may win the right to build at the site where extremists acting in the name of Islam slew so many innocent people doesn’t make building such a center there the right thing to do. We mentioned to him that we’d been impressed with the way Sarah Palin articulated her early opposition to the project.

    “She’s got seichel,” we remarked to Mr. Foxman. It was a reference to the Yiddish word that has no single-word English translation but means a combination of intelligence, wisdom, and common sense. Mrs. Palin’s short messages on Twitter were crafted as a call not on the government to prohibit the project but on the moderate Muslims themselves to — in her now classic formulation — “refudiate” the plan. Her call was for forbearance out of understanding of the special nature of the Ground Zero site in the city’s and the nation’s memory.

    There is no doubt that this is an excruciating circumstance for moderate Muslims, who say that they want to create bridges to America. The situation reminds many of us of the crisis over the Carmelite nuns who wanted to establish a convent at Auschwitz. We don’t want to make any inappropriate comparisons in respect of the Holocaust, which is unique in history. But what settled that crisis with the Carmelites was the grit of a few courageous protesters, like Rabbi Avi Weiss, and the seichel of John Paul II, who grasped that the demand for forbearance was not hostility toward his religion and that understanding was not weakness.

    John Paul II’s decision move the Carmelite nuns was an important moment. It helped establish the pope’s reputation as a builder of relations between the church and the Jewish people. His establishment of relations with Israel, his visit to Yad Vashem, his visit to a synagogue were others. The Cordoba Initiative has many admirers whom we admire, including Jeffrey Goldberg of the Atlantic. But by our lights the current controversy adds up to an opportunity for the Cordoba Initiative to show its capacity for respect, understanding, and forbearance.

    http://www.nysun.com/editorials/cordobas-opportunity/87035/

  3. Minkoff Minx says:

    Via Politico’s Maggie Haberman, here’s Rudy Giuliani on the Ground Zero Mosque:

    “It sends a particularly bad message, particularly (because) of the background of the Imam who is supporting this. This is an Imam who has supported radical causes, who has not been forthright in condemning Islamic (terrorism) and the worst instincts that that brings about.

    “So it not only is exactly the wrong place, right at Ground Zero, but it’s a mosque supported by an Imam who has a record of support for causes that were sympathetic with terrorism. Come on! We’re gonna allow that at Ground Zero?

    “This is a desecration,” he added. “Nobody would allow something like that at Pearl Harbor. Let’s have some respect for who died there and why they died there. Let’s not put this off on some kind of politically correct theory.”

    “I mean, they died there because of Islamic extremist terrorism. They are our enemy, we can say that, the world will not end when we say that. And the reality is it will not and should not insult any decent Muslim because decent Muslims should be as opposed to Islamic extremism as you and I are.”

    Meanwhile, the NY Daily News reports: “The Mosque planned for Ground Zero is expected to pass a major hurdle Tuesday. Board members at the Landmarks Preservation Commission intend to vote unanimously against granting protected status to the 152-year-old building that would be knocked down to make way for the project.”

    http://weeklystandard.com/blogs/giuliani-ground-zero-mosque-desecration

  4. Minkoff Minx says:

    http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/112323-lieberman-pause-to-development-of-islamic-center-near-ground-zero

    Developers should “put the brakes” on a planned mosque near the site of the 9/11 attacks in New York City, Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.) said Tuesday.

    Lieberman, an independent senator who caucuses with Democrats, endorsed a pause on the building of an Islamic center and mosque near ground zero, joining some Republican lawmakers and conservative activists who have railed against the project.

    “I’d say I’m troubled by it, but I don’t know enough to say that it ought to be prohibited,” Lieberman said on “Imus in the Morning” on the Fox Business Network. “But frankly I’ve heard enough about it and read enough about it that I wish somebody in New York would just put the brakes on for a while and take a look at this.”

    Many top Republicans have condemned the project since plans to construct a Muslim community center several blocks away from the site of the former World Trade Center were approved by a community board in late May. Outside groups of conservative activists, and even the Anti-Defamation League, have criticized the Islamic center as disrespectful to victims of the attacks, since the al Qaeda-affiliated attackers were Muslims. New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg, a strong supporter of the center, has said “if we are so afraid of something like this, what does that say about us?”

    Most Democrats have been quiet on the issue, while some others have condemned Republicans for their opposition to the project.
    Lieberman, who is an Orthodox Jew, noted that while places of worship should enjoy a special status in the U.S., outreach to victims’ families “obviously hasn’t worked.”

    “If the people building this large Islamic center are just looking to build a large facility — a house of worship and center — in New York, why so close to 9/11, with all the sensitivity associated with that?” he asked.

    Some of the potential 2012 Republican candidates for president have been among the project’s most strident critics. Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin (R) has called the center an “unnecessary provocation” that “stabs hearts.” Former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani (R) has also called the plan a “desecration” of the site of the attacks. Other 2012 contenders, like Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty (R) and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney (R), have not spoken out on it.

    The Connecticut senator, who’s often been hawkish on national-security issues, has said the project should be put on hold until the developers of the project can be more fully vetted.

    “I’ve also read some things about some of the people involved that make me wonder about their motivations. So I don’t know enough to reach a conclusion, but I know enough to say that this thing is only going to create more division in our society, and somebody ought to put the brakes on it,” he said. “Give these people a chance to come out and explain who they are, where their money’s coming from.”

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